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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Oct 22, 2010 10:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

Well said... America has never been perfect , even in 1776 . For all of the failures , cruelties and mistakes , America is still our best hope for for freedom . If we were the country painted by some all in black , why would people risk everything to still come here ?

It's a fragile experiment this republic of ours . It always has been . We ought to keep that in mind . It could be gone in a generation if we don't keep passing the flame of liberty along to our children .


re: why would people risk everything to still come here ?
-- The hype they get before coming here is lacking in diversity, lacking in honesty, and lacking in proper context, because we've lost our Press and News Media.

re: It could be gone in a generation if we don't keep passing the flame of liberty along to our children .
-- I think we're on the brink of losing it right now, because we've lost our Press and News Media.

Ludwig Börne, quotes about Media:
Only the suppressed word is dangerous.

Josh Billings, quotes about Media:
The trouble with most folks isn't so much their ignorance, as knowing so many things that ain't so.

Ernest Bevin, quotes about Media:
A newspaper has three things to do. One is to amuse, another is to entertain and the rest is to mislead.

Elias Root Beadle, quotes about Media:
Half the work that is done in this world is to make things appear what they are not.

Franklin P. Adams, quotes about Media:
When the political columnists say 'Every thinking man' they mean themselves, and when candidates appeal to 'Every intelligent voter' they mean everybody who is going to vote for them.

Spiro Agnew, quotes about Media:
The American people should be made aware of the trend toward monopolization of the great public information vehicles and the concentration of more and more power over public opinion in fewer and fewer hands.

Gary Allen, quotes about Media:
We believe the picture painters of the mass media are artfully creating landscapes for us which deliberately hide the real picture.

Pierre-Augustin Beaumarchais, quotes about Media:
As long as I don't write about the government, religion, politics, and other institutions, I am free to print anything.

Saul Bellow, quotes about Media:
Open discussion of many major public questions has for some time now been taboo. We can’t open our mouths without being denounced as racists, misogynists, supremacists, imperialists or fascists. As for the media, they stand ready to trash anyone so designated.

W. Lance Bennett, quotes about Media:
Perhaps the most obvious political effect of controlled news is the advantage it gives powerful people in getting their issues on the political agenda and defining those issues in ways likely to influence their resolution.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Oct 22, 2010 11:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

Again, well said Monte... but I wouldn't stop there. True, our Press and Media seems to have lost their voice, but who is to blame for this? Yes, the rich and powerful have taken over our outlets, but we've allowed this to happen on OUR watch. The Supreme Court now allows secret contributors for shadowy political organizations that poison the airwaves. We the people bear some responsibility - with the exception of a few like yourself, we've lost the will to protest, and hearken like sheep to the voices of sycophants and media bullies.

"The media" is an easy target. Americans aren't willing to spend the time reading any more, newspapers are dying and gone, and there's so few voices left crying out in the wilderness. Or perhaps the reverse is true - we're swamped with so much misinformation, we can't see the forest for the trees.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 22, 2010 1:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

Selective quotations is such a fun game to play:

Losing an illusion makes you wiser than finding a truth.
Ludwig Borne

About the most originality that any writer can hope to achieve honestly is to steal with good judgment.
Josh Billings

Unintelligent people always look for a scapegoat.
Ernest Bevin

Having imagination it takes you an hour to write a paragraph that if you were unimaginative would take you only a minute.
Franklin Pierce Adams

I apologize for lying to you. I promise I won't deceive you except in matters of this sort.
Spiro T. Agnew

the most effective weapons used against the conspiratorial theory of history are ridicule and satire
Gary Allen

It is not necessary to understand things in order to argue about them.
Pierre de Beaumarchais

Everybody needs his memories. They keep the wolf of insignificance from the door.
Saul Bellow


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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 22, 2010 7:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

"I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce and agriculture in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, porcelain, and the Grateful Dead."
-- John Adams

"I'm Uncle Sam, that's who I am
Been hidin' out in a rock 'n' roll band"
-- Ben Franklin

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 22, 2010 9:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

I never knew . How cool is that ?
Imagine if we had some more of their words gracing our forum .

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 23, 2010 4:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

A fun thread would be to try to guess what their favorite songs would have been ...

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 23, 2010 10:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

Ben Franklin's would have to be Playin' In The Band.


(Some folks up in treetops...)

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 23, 2010 9:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

How come Loose Lucy and Thomas Jefferson just popped into my head ? That doesn't seem correct .

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 22, 2010 8:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rangers win! Rangers Win!

More natural history.

Ignorance of the natural world is sadly lacking. On "both" (all?) sides so often...

Conservatives and liberals often have it wrong; Hunters usually have it wrong; Disney and the Lion King, and so many average folks have it wrong; many environmentalists have it wrong; PETA folks have it wrong.

That's a lot of wrongs...most issues just have three sides: left, right, and somewhere in the middle. Natural history has the religious perspective (consumptive), the conservative (politically speaking, exploitative), the liberal (preservationist), the radical left (animal rights), blah, blah, blah. But I split hairs, and digress.

Way to go Rangers!

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 22, 2010 11:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

Good quotes. However, a quick reality check re:

>why would people risk everything to still come here ?
-- The hype they get before coming here is lacking in diversity, lacking in honesty, and lacking in proper context, because we've lost our Press and News Media.

The first part is sorta kinda true. But the US Press and News Media don't matter for squat here in the "third world;" nobody sees them or reads them. Hollywood does matter (particularly in its dumbest, you-don't-need-English-to-get-it versions), and the lowest common denominator of pop culture matters most of all, sadly.

But people, frankly, go to the US for one reason: Economics. They're often sadly misinformed about what they can earn and what life is like (see the pop culture reference above); still, it's remarkable how much they do end up putting aside.

Yes, people want freedom -- they do aspire to the values that were articulated back in 1776 -- but that's a philosophical drive, and they want it in their homelands where there's family, friends, a common culture, etc. Philosophy inspires movements, but it doesn't tend to pull people across the oceans. That's the dollar. (And, btw, folks hereabouts also risk a heck of a lot to go to the UK, Germany, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Malaysia, etc. Any place that can enable them to get the funds to buy land, build a house, or otherwise make a better life.)



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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 22, 2010 11:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

Look two or three generations down from that immigrant . The Irish , the Italians , the Jews , ect. That's what makes the sacrifice so dear .
People have always moved for 'money'. Horses , iron , gold , oil , ect.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 22, 2010 7:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

Well, yeah. I'll modify what I said about money to include children. That's another thing immigrants do say: that their life is hard, they'll never quite adjust, but their children will have a better life.

I don't, for the record, think that's necessarily true. It's sometimes true, and it's literally true economically and career opportunity-wise. But comparing the kinds of freedoms kids can have growing up in a village with what faces them in an American childhood ... well, that's a reeeeaally long discussion!

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 22, 2010 9:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

Yes , it would be . And one that would be fun .
But there are too many words for us to have it here .
Unless I can get A. to crank out a 10 page ( at least ), double spaced position paper to get the ball rolling . Then you can strain ( as I had to ) to get your little wonder to focus on a response .....

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 22, 2010 11:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

Monte , Let me know what you think .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7iUvjHgQBQ&;

Wagon Wheel Is A Must

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmQLlSj0sb0&;feature=related

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Oct 22, 2010 12:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: PHIL!! stoked the Anthem -- very cool (Bob too)

Those 2 Johnny Possum videos are very nice. Pretty sound. Tight vocal harmony. Good stuff. I'm not much of a music critic. The sound equipment is so perfect these days. I miss the "raw" sound of live music, like in the older days. It's just a wee-bit too perfect-sounding for me, is all. Lot's of groups these days come across this way to me.